Leading Beyond Fear and Into Growth with John Hagel III


What if the greatest threat to your organization isn’t disruption, AI, or the economy… but unspoken fear quietly shaping every decision?

Rosie sits down with renowned strategist and author John Hagel III, founder of Center for Growth and Beyond Our Edge, as well as the author of “The Journey Beyond Fear.” Together, they unpack how fear of the future silently drives resistance, stifles learning, and fuels the very behaviors that keep teams stuck. From the myth of the “burning platform” to the hidden immune systems inside organizations, John challenges the way we think about change, strategy, and leadership.

But this isn’t just about fear. It’s about rediscovering what John calls the passion of the explorer, the deep human drive to learn, connect, and create meaningful impact.

If you care about building future-ready, people-first organizations that thrive in uncertainty, this conversation will expand your thinking and reignite your courage.

Rosie in My Pocket: Fear

In this short episode, Rosie recognizes fear as a universal emotion that can lead to catastrophizing or imagining worst-case scenarios. She shares the acronym, FEAR: False Evidence Appearing Real, and encourages us to acknowledge it, question the story we tell ourselves, and rewrite the narrative that serves us better. After all, courage means acting with fear rather than in its absence.

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