Leading Beyond Fear and Into Growth with John Hagel III

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What if the greatest threat to your organization isn’t disruption, AI, or the economy… but unspoken fear quietly shaping every decision?

Rosie sits down with renowned strategist and author John Hagel III, founder of Center for Growth and Beyond Our Edge, as well as the author of “The Journey Beyond Fear.” Together, they unpack how fear of the future silently drives resistance, stifles learning, and fuels the very behaviors that keep teams stuck. From the myth of the “burning platform” to the hidden immune systems inside organizations, John challenges the way we think about change, strategy, and leadership.

But this isn’t just about fear. It’s about rediscovering what John calls the passion of the explorer, the deep human drive to learn, connect, and create meaningful impact.

If you care about building future-ready, people-first organizations that thrive in uncertainty, this conversation will expand your thinking and reignite your courage.

About John Hagel III

John Hagel has spent over 40 years in Silicon Valley as a management consultant, author, speaker, and entrepreneur. After retiring as a partner from Deloitte, he launched two ventures, Beyond Our Edge, LLC in 2020, where he continues to advise organizations as a strategic consultant, and the Center for Growth in 2025, which offers programs based on his recent book, The Journey Beyond Fear. Together, these companies extend his lifelong work in transformation, growth, and leadership. He has received two
awards from Harvard Business Review for best articles and has been recognized as an industry thought leader by numerous organizations, including the World Economic Forum and BusinessWeek.

 

Key Takeaways:

  • Fear of the future drives organizational resistance.
  • Learning means creating new knowledge, not training.
  • Burning platforms intensify fear, not transformation.
  • Scale the edge instead of forcing top-down change.
  • Cultivate passion of the explorer over engagement.

Resources:

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Learn more about the Center for Growth!
Learn more about Beyond Our Edge
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